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Thank you Sam,
I would be great if you could add a link to The Learning Society web page, the home site for the Raviv Method. And thank you for the opportunity to introduce a topic on the forum.
A small number of practitioners have been carrying the torch for Raviv in this country since they were first trained in 2002. One of those was Mike Jones, a special needs teacher in South Wales. In 2003 he was given permission to carry out a pilot study in St. Joseph’s R C. School in Newport, South Wales. The LEA were impressed enough with the results to fund, the training by Nili Raviv, of 20+ educationalists in the local area (I’m not sure of the exact number but it was a mixed group of SN teachers, heads of departments, classroom assistants and also one head teacher of which I am aware). These people are now working with children in the Newport area. From personal contact which I have had with St. Joseph’s School I believe their concern is to be free to work with any child that they ascertain would benefit from the programme whether or not they have been statemented. This programme started in 2004
At the same time Nili started training new groups of individuals in London. As for myself I was interested in what I had learned about Ravi, and the work being done at Newport was enough to convince me to do more. I did my training at this time and have been working part time with the method with both adults and children since. Most of my results to this point cannot be independently verified, as there were no previous tests carried out, except for one 12-year-old who was tested before and after by his school and who made a remarkable increase in his reading ability and also concentration, confidence and handwriting and in his general approach to school.
As you can see, Raviv is very new to the UK and as a result we don’t yet have any independent studies to quantify our results. However now that our practitioners are getting more work we hope that soon we will have enough testimonials to send to those of you who are interested. We are getting very positive results and hopefully in the near future we will be able to get some independent research off the ground.
These things can take a leap of faith and those who have been brave enough to try it have been very pleased with the results.
Jackie Brett
I am happy to give further information about the method if people are interested.
Please look at www.thelearningsociety.com Hopefully there will be a direct link from this site soon.
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Posted 22 May 2005 - 12:01 PM
Hi Everyone,
At last some good information on the Raviv Method!
There is some good info on the website: http://www.thelearningsociety.com
Any further questions post them here and I am sure jab will be very helpful!
At last some good information on the Raviv Method!
There is some good info on the website: http://www.thelearningsociety.com
Any further questions post them here and I am sure jab will be very helpful!
Sam
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#3 ~ Nick ~
Posted 06 July 2005 - 09:57 PM
I received an unsolicited email from the providers of this service and that leaves me feeling somwhat untrusworthy!
As normal spam meassages etc are for products of poor quality and unrealistic results,
please dont think this is just sour grapes but i have come across other 'cures' and programmes ( bright star and DDat) whose brochures and quotes seem too good to be true until you see that their core group of people treated is very specific and would not stand up to independent checking.
If you konw more than me please correct me. All i ask is that you do not assume that the next thing is the total cure.
Nick
As normal spam meassages etc are for products of poor quality and unrealistic results,
please dont think this is just sour grapes but i have come across other 'cures' and programmes ( bright star and DDat) whose brochures and quotes seem too good to be true until you see that their core group of people treated is very specific and would not stand up to independent checking.
If you konw more than me please correct me. All i ask is that you do not assume that the next thing is the total cure.
Nick
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Posted 07 July 2005 - 06:45 AM
Nick,
I think you've made a very valuable point there, The Raviv method does come across as the next quick fix, which always appear to be scams!
Hopefully Jackie can give us some feedback when she is back from her holidays.
I think you've made a very valuable point there, The Raviv method does come across as the next quick fix, which always appear to be scams!
Hopefully Jackie can give us some feedback when she is back from her holidays.
Sam
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#6 ~ Bruna Mole ~
Posted 07 July 2005 - 05:33 PM
Hello! My name is Bruna, I am a primary schoold special needs coordinator and mother of a 12 years old girl statemented with global learning disability.
I did the Raviv course last September and I have been working with it in school since January 2005.
Last July I went to see the headteacher in my school to tell her that I was planning on leaving at the end of this school year. My reason for resigning was the sense of emptyness and defeat. I tried several traditional method in school and with my daughter, which were supposed to help correcting dyslexia, dyspraxia, AD(H)D, etc. I could see some improvements, but all of them were temporary.
I then tried to do something on neuro-divelopmental delay with my daughter, and again...another defeat. She had some improvements, but they were slow and it took a lot of effort from everyone in the family. What I found particularly hard was that this program was endless and everytime I mentioned that my daughter and I were tired of all the exercises, I was made to feel guilty :"if you stop now, you may damage the brain..."
When the headteacher sent me on this course I was sceptic and scared. As a mother I did not know if I could handle another failure and disillusion. I tested the method on myself: this is actually a rule. During the course you have to practise the exercise yourself, nobody will try to convince you. We all saw and felt what the program does. My thyroid improved. I was also sent to have and endoscopy and the doctor told me at the end of the test that he did not know how, but the ulcer was healing itself. The only thing I had changed in my routine was the introduction of the Raviv exercise.
At that point I tried it with my daughter. She had been assessed by a neurologist in October. I took her back in February and the same doctor asked me if that was the same child he saw in October.
She had severe dyslexia,dyspraxia and ADD. She was in a Specialist School and her main activity was staring at the tv unless we organised some supervised activities for her.
My daughter now: the dyspraxia....well the doctor admitted himself there are no traits of it! She no longer trips over and she now enjoys playing tennis with the family!
Dyslexia...she knows left from right, she can use times tables. She remembers her daily timetable, she makes herself breakfast, she reads age appropriate books and she can spell 400 words. In September 2004 she could only spell 20!
Her focus has improved and she seldom watches tv, she is too busy listening to pop music and reading Teens magazines.
She no longer dresses like a charachter from a cartoon program, and she has found her own look (quite funky as well).
I always knew she was clever, I just wished I could find a way to unlock whatever was stuck and stopping her from putting on paper the ideas she had in her mind.
She is now attending a main stream secondary school and she is shining more and more everyday.
It is not a magic cure! I consulted a doctor and a professor from Great Ormond Street Hospital and both told me that the type of exercise we practise has been used for a long time in wards with severe physical dysabilities as a reabilitation program. We have met a few times and we are now preparing the paperwork to present it to a medical commission.
This method is not a new invention, but the result of researches, statements and results coming from different sources, some personal, some medical and some scientific.
If you are interested just have a look at thelearningsociety website. There are no secrets.
I did the Raviv course last September and I have been working with it in school since January 2005.
Last July I went to see the headteacher in my school to tell her that I was planning on leaving at the end of this school year. My reason for resigning was the sense of emptyness and defeat. I tried several traditional method in school and with my daughter, which were supposed to help correcting dyslexia, dyspraxia, AD(H)D, etc. I could see some improvements, but all of them were temporary.
I then tried to do something on neuro-divelopmental delay with my daughter, and again...another defeat. She had some improvements, but they were slow and it took a lot of effort from everyone in the family. What I found particularly hard was that this program was endless and everytime I mentioned that my daughter and I were tired of all the exercises, I was made to feel guilty :"if you stop now, you may damage the brain..."
When the headteacher sent me on this course I was sceptic and scared. As a mother I did not know if I could handle another failure and disillusion. I tested the method on myself: this is actually a rule. During the course you have to practise the exercise yourself, nobody will try to convince you. We all saw and felt what the program does. My thyroid improved. I was also sent to have and endoscopy and the doctor told me at the end of the test that he did not know how, but the ulcer was healing itself. The only thing I had changed in my routine was the introduction of the Raviv exercise.
At that point I tried it with my daughter. She had been assessed by a neurologist in October. I took her back in February and the same doctor asked me if that was the same child he saw in October.
She had severe dyslexia,dyspraxia and ADD. She was in a Specialist School and her main activity was staring at the tv unless we organised some supervised activities for her.
My daughter now: the dyspraxia....well the doctor admitted himself there are no traits of it! She no longer trips over and she now enjoys playing tennis with the family!
Dyslexia...she knows left from right, she can use times tables. She remembers her daily timetable, she makes herself breakfast, she reads age appropriate books and she can spell 400 words. In September 2004 she could only spell 20!
Her focus has improved and she seldom watches tv, she is too busy listening to pop music and reading Teens magazines.
She no longer dresses like a charachter from a cartoon program, and she has found her own look (quite funky as well).
I always knew she was clever, I just wished I could find a way to unlock whatever was stuck and stopping her from putting on paper the ideas she had in her mind.
She is now attending a main stream secondary school and she is shining more and more everyday.
It is not a magic cure! I consulted a doctor and a professor from Great Ormond Street Hospital and both told me that the type of exercise we practise has been used for a long time in wards with severe physical dysabilities as a reabilitation program. We have met a few times and we are now preparing the paperwork to present it to a medical commission.
This method is not a new invention, but the result of researches, statements and results coming from different sources, some personal, some medical and some scientific.
If you are interested just have a look at thelearningsociety website. There are no secrets.
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Posted 07 July 2005 - 11:13 PM
Dear Nick,
I agree with you that unsolicited emails are unpleasant to receive...I'm sorry that that was your introduction to the raviv method! I've been a practitioner for three years, and can tell you that it is not a quick fix; the best results come when the client, and often his or her parents, have shown a lot of dedication, and have put lots of effort into doing the exercises every (or almost every) day, for at least 3-4 months. Where this happens, yes, you can get very positive change. Sometimes it appears to be exactly what the person needs; other times you make progress, but some difficulties remain outstanding. There may be dietary or emotional issues at work as well, for example. But in my experience the exercises are very effective.
It would help us all to have the method independently evaluated. I have heard of several projects planned which may bring this about in the next year or so--I hope so!
Martha Cass
I agree with you that unsolicited emails are unpleasant to receive...I'm sorry that that was your introduction to the raviv method! I've been a practitioner for three years, and can tell you that it is not a quick fix; the best results come when the client, and often his or her parents, have shown a lot of dedication, and have put lots of effort into doing the exercises every (or almost every) day, for at least 3-4 months. Where this happens, yes, you can get very positive change. Sometimes it appears to be exactly what the person needs; other times you make progress, but some difficulties remain outstanding. There may be dietary or emotional issues at work as well, for example. But in my experience the exercises are very effective.
It would help us all to have the method independently evaluated. I have heard of several projects planned which may bring this about in the next year or so--I hope so!
Martha Cass
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Posted 08 July 2005 - 11:12 AM
Our apologies if anyone had recieved unsolicited email, this was mistake and we have taken steps to ensure it won't happen again.
I would just like to add this observation to the previous posts. The Raviv method is a very holistic coordinated approach and one of the main differences from other exercise based therapies is that the therapist works in a one to one situation with the client each week throughout the programme. It is unusual for us to have children who refused to do the 20 minutes a day exercise. This must be partially due to the fact that they meet with the therapist each week and establish a relationship with the therapist in a situation which for them is totally different from what they may have experienced before, e.g. the pressure of having extra lessons at school.
We would never put pressure on a client to continue with a programme if they decided they wanted to stop for whatever reason. That would be their decision and we would respect that. In fact it would be counterproductive because if they felt under pressure the therapy just wouldn't work.
Jackie Brett
I would just like to add this observation to the previous posts. The Raviv method is a very holistic coordinated approach and one of the main differences from other exercise based therapies is that the therapist works in a one to one situation with the client each week throughout the programme. It is unusual for us to have children who refused to do the 20 minutes a day exercise. This must be partially due to the fact that they meet with the therapist each week and establish a relationship with the therapist in a situation which for them is totally different from what they may have experienced before, e.g. the pressure of having extra lessons at school.
We would never put pressure on a client to continue with a programme if they decided they wanted to stop for whatever reason. That would be their decision and we would respect that. In fact it would be counterproductive because if they felt under pressure the therapy just wouldn't work.
Jackie Brett
#10 ~ jab ~
Posted 09 July 2005 - 02:09 PM
To Alan and other interested people.
Practitioner training course prices are available from The Raviv Learning Society freephone number available on the website.
Practitioner costs are individually set but tend to be very similar from region to region. Prices in London and surroundings are typically higher than in the rest of the country. Prices range from £30 per session to £50 in the London area ( July 2005). Therefore overall, a twenty week course will cost between £600 and £1000. This is very cost effective when compared to long term individual tuition and particularly to some of the larger organizations. If you are on income support or family credit you may be entitled to a consession.
Regards
Jackie
Practitioner training course prices are available from The Raviv Learning Society freephone number available on the website.
Practitioner costs are individually set but tend to be very similar from region to region. Prices in London and surroundings are typically higher than in the rest of the country. Prices range from £30 per session to £50 in the London area ( July 2005). Therefore overall, a twenty week course will cost between £600 and £1000. This is very cost effective when compared to long term individual tuition and particularly to some of the larger organizations. If you are on income support or family credit you may be entitled to a consession.
Regards
Jackie
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Posted 10 July 2005 - 03:00 PM
Jackie, could you please tell me what guarantees there are or of any quality assurences. It seems an awful lot of money for something that is not proven and very short on independent research.
I am sure you can understand peoples resivations on these mirical cures and that many parents and adults have been seriously ripped off by quacks.
could it be those who are singing the praise of theropies such as the raviv method have a hidden agenda, i.e they stand to make money out of desprate parents and adults with disabilities?
Alan
I am sure you can understand peoples resivations on these mirical cures and that many parents and adults have been seriously ripped off by quacks.
could it be those who are singing the praise of theropies such as the raviv method have a hidden agenda, i.e they stand to make money out of desprate parents and adults with disabilities?
Alan
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Posted 11 July 2005 - 07:01 PM
Alan,
I don’t think any of us here have claimed a miracle cure. As you may know motor sensory programmes have been around for some time. And this type of intervention is generally perceived to be more successful than conventional methods. I know a number of families whose children have been having extra tuition for in some cases a number of years. At a very conservative estimate this could cost them at least £800 a year. I think this puts the cost of the Raviv method into perspective. I don’t know if you have any experience of other motor sensor methods, but in comparison to some that I am aware of this is not expensive. The fees are paid on a session-by-session basis, with no big up front payments.
Before agreeing to commence the programme with anyone we sit down with the parents/client and explain the programme to them and answer any questions or concerns that they may have. We are interviewing them but they are also interviewing the practitioner. There is no pressure on them to take up the programme and they can take their time to think about it, go away and get in touch again if this is their choice. If a child is involved we talk to them also at the beginning of the programme explain to them what we are doing and we would discontinue the programme if we didn’t have their complete agreement. If the parent is pushing the programme on the child and the child is not happy with the situation then we say no, not now, maybe another time. If at any time the parent or client is not satisfied with the quality of service from the practitioner they are free to withdraw without any penalties.
Any clients I have personally worked with have approached me because they have heard of the programme through word of mouth, usually from other parents .My feeling is that this is how we will continue to attract people, they will know or have heard of someone else who has done the programme and therefore will be interested in trying it.
We don’t make any outrageous promises. We discuss the concerns of the client and work through the programme to address these. We cannot guarantee the end result, indeed this would be very foolish, I know of no practitioners/therapists in associated or other fields who would be prepared to predict the outcome. Every client is different and the level of commitment varies from person to person. Therefore so may the results.
I have yet to meet a Raviv practitioner who has undertaken the programme just to make money. The majority are already involved in areas of education and healthcare and have the good of their clients at heart. I am not making a lot of money but I am doing this because I feel that for the first time I have found something that makes a difference.
This is my honest assessment of how we work and it is also the approach we have agreed to follow as members of the Learning Society.
I don’t think any of us here have claimed a miracle cure. As you may know motor sensory programmes have been around for some time. And this type of intervention is generally perceived to be more successful than conventional methods. I know a number of families whose children have been having extra tuition for in some cases a number of years. At a very conservative estimate this could cost them at least £800 a year. I think this puts the cost of the Raviv method into perspective. I don’t know if you have any experience of other motor sensor methods, but in comparison to some that I am aware of this is not expensive. The fees are paid on a session-by-session basis, with no big up front payments.
Before agreeing to commence the programme with anyone we sit down with the parents/client and explain the programme to them and answer any questions or concerns that they may have. We are interviewing them but they are also interviewing the practitioner. There is no pressure on them to take up the programme and they can take their time to think about it, go away and get in touch again if this is their choice. If a child is involved we talk to them also at the beginning of the programme explain to them what we are doing and we would discontinue the programme if we didn’t have their complete agreement. If the parent is pushing the programme on the child and the child is not happy with the situation then we say no, not now, maybe another time. If at any time the parent or client is not satisfied with the quality of service from the practitioner they are free to withdraw without any penalties.
Any clients I have personally worked with have approached me because they have heard of the programme through word of mouth, usually from other parents .My feeling is that this is how we will continue to attract people, they will know or have heard of someone else who has done the programme and therefore will be interested in trying it.
We don’t make any outrageous promises. We discuss the concerns of the client and work through the programme to address these. We cannot guarantee the end result, indeed this would be very foolish, I know of no practitioners/therapists in associated or other fields who would be prepared to predict the outcome. Every client is different and the level of commitment varies from person to person. Therefore so may the results.
I have yet to meet a Raviv practitioner who has undertaken the programme just to make money. The majority are already involved in areas of education and healthcare and have the good of their clients at heart. I am not making a lot of money but I am doing this because I feel that for the first time I have found something that makes a difference.
This is my honest assessment of how we work and it is also the approach we have agreed to follow as members of the Learning Society.
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Posted 11 July 2005 - 08:41 PM
I've taken the opportunity tonight to look at the learning Society web page, from what I have seen it appears that the learning Society and the Ravi Method are one and the same thing. The title "the learning Society" does give an air of respectability.
I have not been able to find any independently verified research data on the Raviv method, they do heavily quote one teacher working with one pupil in Wales, yet further on in their side they quote seeing between 100 and 125 people per week, so it would appear there is ample data for independent review.
Any review would have to take into account the following factors that can clearly skew any result.
1. The placebo effect:-this is based on the expectation of change, this is normally seen on tests of medication where a sugar pill gives a positive effect on the well-being of the patient, rather than as a result of any specific intervention.
2. The Pygmalion effect:-this is where the teachers and tutors involved with the person are aware that some form of treatment and prevention is taking place and therefore the re-evaluate the persons skills and abilities in a positive way.
3. The Hawthorne effect:-this is the belief that because something is new it must be better, in order to negate this effect any research must be be undertaken over a sufficient period of time.
(My thanks to Dr Angela Fawcett) as I've nicked her descriptions of these effects.
Finally as it appears that the Ravi Method is in fact a business, should it be promoted on this site?
Nick
I have not been able to find any independently verified research data on the Raviv method, they do heavily quote one teacher working with one pupil in Wales, yet further on in their side they quote seeing between 100 and 125 people per week, so it would appear there is ample data for independent review.
Any review would have to take into account the following factors that can clearly skew any result.
1. The placebo effect:-this is based on the expectation of change, this is normally seen on tests of medication where a sugar pill gives a positive effect on the well-being of the patient, rather than as a result of any specific intervention.
2. The Pygmalion effect:-this is where the teachers and tutors involved with the person are aware that some form of treatment and prevention is taking place and therefore the re-evaluate the persons skills and abilities in a positive way.
3. The Hawthorne effect:-this is the belief that because something is new it must be better, in order to negate this effect any research must be be undertaken over a sufficient period of time.
(My thanks to Dr Angela Fawcett) as I've nicked her descriptions of these effects.
Finally as it appears that the Ravi Method is in fact a business, should it be promoted on this site?
Nick
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Posted 12 July 2005 - 02:34 PM
Nick,
In an earlier thread there were a number of questions about Raviv. Unware of this I contacted the Administrator to ask to be added to the links page. I was then invited to contribute to the forum. As a practitioner and member I would never have barged in uninvited. My response was there for some time, it was your comments that opened up the discussion to which I feel we had the right to reply, which we did. If we had ignored it, you and others on the forum would have surmised that we wouldn't stand up for our methods. We are doing this because we believe in what we are doing.
Jackie
In an earlier thread there were a number of questions about Raviv. Unware of this I contacted the Administrator to ask to be added to the links page. I was then invited to contribute to the forum. As a practitioner and member I would never have barged in uninvited. My response was there for some time, it was your comments that opened up the discussion to which I feel we had the right to reply, which we did. If we had ignored it, you and others on the forum would have surmised that we wouldn't stand up for our methods. We are doing this because we believe in what we are doing.
Jackie
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Posted 12 July 2005 - 09:22 PM
Thanks for your reply Jackie, as a practitioner I am sure that you deeply value the work the undertaking, but as a dyslexic I again would ask please show me the link of the independent verification of the work you are providing.
Or is this just another example of the snake oil salesman.
I'm sorry to be so blunt, as I'm aware of how committed individuals are to the management of dyslexia. I'm sure it must be a really rewarding task to be involved in a project that you feel makes a real difference to individual's lives, all I ask is that you show to us the effectiveness of the program you are engaged in.
Earlier streams have asked similar questions, along the lines of "what guarantee is there of improvement in return for my money"
It is very easy to cite one individual case, where change is said to have occurred due to the direct intervention of the program you're offering, but this is not evidence of the programme success.
Nick
Or is this just another example of the snake oil salesman.
I'm sorry to be so blunt, as I'm aware of how committed individuals are to the management of dyslexia. I'm sure it must be a really rewarding task to be involved in a project that you feel makes a real difference to individual's lives, all I ask is that you show to us the effectiveness of the program you are engaged in.
Earlier streams have asked similar questions, along the lines of "what guarantee is there of improvement in return for my money"
It is very easy to cite one individual case, where change is said to have occurred due to the direct intervention of the program you're offering, but this is not evidence of the programme success.
Nick
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Posted 13 July 2005 - 05:02 PM
Jackie, I echo all that has been said by Nick, but I also think you are a very honest and committed practistioneer.
I come across many desprate people who have paid a great deal of money for such treatments as, DDAT and Brightstar and have seen little or no improvement.
I hope you can understand our concern.
Alan
I come across many desprate people who have paid a great deal of money for such treatments as, DDAT and Brightstar and have seen little or no improvement.
I hope you can understand our concern.
Alan
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Posted 13 July 2005 - 08:39 PM
Dear Nick
I agree with you about the research and I firmly believe we need it, none of us need to be convinced of this, it is something we are all aware of including Nili Raviv. I know how important your questioning is and I applaud your motives, I would be doing the same thing if our roles were reversed.
In a previous post you drew attention to some of the criteria that needs to be implemented. It would be a very big undertaking. Take the Durham trial for example. The children (Approx 100 I think) were thoroughly assessed before and after and then it had to be ensured that they took their supplements every day. For Raviv the logistics of doing a trial this size would be huge. Our practitioners are spread around the country, therefore to do a big study will be extremely difficult as each child as well as being assessed will have to work one-to-one each week with the same practitioner to ensure consistency. Then you have to take into account all the other control factors, which you have pointed out.
Any project like his requires funding. The major funding for research often comes from drug companies, since we are not advocating or using drugs I don’t think they will be interested. As we know from what we have read here and elsewhere, it's difficult to just get the government to fund some extra days in teacher training courses so that our teachers can be more alert at picking up on learning difficulties. So no hope there.
My opinion is that testing will have to be in small groups. I have recently approached a school and offered to work for a day a week with some of the children. They have told me that it would only be possible to complete sessions with three children during this time because of the length of the school day and taking into account break time and lunch. One other basic difficulty with this type of study, which can also skew the findings, is the level of compliance of the children and parents. You have to rely on whether or not they will be committed enough to continue the work at home. In the Durham trial in order to ensure compliance the supplements were given to the children by the teachers every school day. They relied only on the parents at week ends.
I have answered to the best of my ability on the research point. I assure you we would welcome it, but as a small and new organization with very little funding behind us we have to follow up whatever possibilities that are open to us but only if they are suitable and with no hidden agendas.
Please look again, maybe it was a typing error but the study in Newport was with ten children not one.
Thank you Alan for your comments, much of what I have said to Nick applies to your concerns too.
Jackie
I agree with you about the research and I firmly believe we need it, none of us need to be convinced of this, it is something we are all aware of including Nili Raviv. I know how important your questioning is and I applaud your motives, I would be doing the same thing if our roles were reversed.
In a previous post you drew attention to some of the criteria that needs to be implemented. It would be a very big undertaking. Take the Durham trial for example. The children (Approx 100 I think) were thoroughly assessed before and after and then it had to be ensured that they took their supplements every day. For Raviv the logistics of doing a trial this size would be huge. Our practitioners are spread around the country, therefore to do a big study will be extremely difficult as each child as well as being assessed will have to work one-to-one each week with the same practitioner to ensure consistency. Then you have to take into account all the other control factors, which you have pointed out.
Any project like his requires funding. The major funding for research often comes from drug companies, since we are not advocating or using drugs I don’t think they will be interested. As we know from what we have read here and elsewhere, it's difficult to just get the government to fund some extra days in teacher training courses so that our teachers can be more alert at picking up on learning difficulties. So no hope there.
My opinion is that testing will have to be in small groups. I have recently approached a school and offered to work for a day a week with some of the children. They have told me that it would only be possible to complete sessions with three children during this time because of the length of the school day and taking into account break time and lunch. One other basic difficulty with this type of study, which can also skew the findings, is the level of compliance of the children and parents. You have to rely on whether or not they will be committed enough to continue the work at home. In the Durham trial in order to ensure compliance the supplements were given to the children by the teachers every school day. They relied only on the parents at week ends.
I have answered to the best of my ability on the research point. I assure you we would welcome it, but as a small and new organization with very little funding behind us we have to follow up whatever possibilities that are open to us but only if they are suitable and with no hidden agendas.
Please look again, maybe it was a typing error but the study in Newport was with ten children not one.
Thank you Alan for your comments, much of what I have said to Nick applies to your concerns too.
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Posted 14 July 2005 - 12:16 AM
1. Do I have to have any existing experience with learning difficulties or ADD?
No, you do not need any specific experience, you just need to be interested in therapy or teaching. This method can be practised entirely by itself, and it is very practical and hands-on.
2. How can I begin working with clients after only 4 months training?
The reason the training takes only 4 months is because this is the duration of a treatment period on average - i.e. the time needed for the mind to change significantly. The program is based on the principle of using the method on yourself, and you are advised to treat at least two clients during the training course period. Therefore, when you complete the course, you can actually see the results you have personally achieved, and this gives you confidence as a practitioner. We do have an accreditation program for practitioners who achieve a specified level of expertise.
How much can I expect to earn as a practitioner of the Raviv Method?
Therapy fees charged by our graduates differ, but they are typically in the range of normal therapy fees about £50 per hour. People have reported back to us saying that in the first 3 months of practising the method, they have paid for the value of the training course
4-month training program
Nili Raviv will be delivering the Practitioner Training programs in London. The training is comprised of four core modules, each of which is taught over 2 days, at approximately monthly intervals (usually across a weekend).
I have copied the pieces above from the Raviv Method training programme, I was quite surprised to see how limited the training is, therefore you are able to charge £50 per hour!
I also note that part of the training programme is practising on other people? Are they also training to be practitioners, if so it would be another example of a pyramid selling program.
I would be most unhappy spending £50 per hour on somebody who has undertaken approximately 40 hours training.
I'm sorry to go on like this, and I promise you Jackie this is not personal, but the deeper I look at the training programme to which you subscribe but less it appears to stack up.
No, you do not need any specific experience, you just need to be interested in therapy or teaching. This method can be practised entirely by itself, and it is very practical and hands-on.
2. How can I begin working with clients after only 4 months training?
The reason the training takes only 4 months is because this is the duration of a treatment period on average - i.e. the time needed for the mind to change significantly. The program is based on the principle of using the method on yourself, and you are advised to treat at least two clients during the training course period. Therefore, when you complete the course, you can actually see the results you have personally achieved, and this gives you confidence as a practitioner. We do have an accreditation program for practitioners who achieve a specified level of expertise.
How much can I expect to earn as a practitioner of the Raviv Method?
Therapy fees charged by our graduates differ, but they are typically in the range of normal therapy fees about £50 per hour. People have reported back to us saying that in the first 3 months of practising the method, they have paid for the value of the training course
4-month training program
Nili Raviv will be delivering the Practitioner Training programs in London. The training is comprised of four core modules, each of which is taught over 2 days, at approximately monthly intervals (usually across a weekend).
I have copied the pieces above from the Raviv Method training programme, I was quite surprised to see how limited the training is, therefore you are able to charge £50 per hour!
I also note that part of the training programme is practising on other people? Are they also training to be practitioners, if so it would be another example of a pyramid selling program.
I would be most unhappy spending £50 per hour on somebody who has undertaken approximately 40 hours training.
I'm sorry to go on like this, and I promise you Jackie this is not personal, but the deeper I look at the training programme to which you subscribe but less it appears to stack up.
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Posted 14 July 2005 - 08:14 AM
Hi All,
I've been following this thread with much interest, and I think it highlights exactly why I have encouraged Jackie to take an active interest on Being Dyslexic.
As a website we do not say anything is black or white / right or wrong, Being Dyslexic is simply an information resource giving people access to information they would otherwise not find. When at all possible I also try and research thing sto give a broader veiw as possible and invite people from the various resources to support there claims.
I think this is working effectively, especially in this case with an excellent debate regarding the Raviv Method.
Your comments are welcome!
I've been following this thread with much interest, and I think it highlights exactly why I have encouraged Jackie to take an active interest on Being Dyslexic.
As a website we do not say anything is black or white / right or wrong, Being Dyslexic is simply an information resource giving people access to information they would otherwise not find. When at all possible I also try and research thing sto give a broader veiw as possible and invite people from the various resources to support there claims.
I think this is working effectively, especially in this case with an excellent debate regarding the Raviv Method.
Your comments are welcome!
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 09:28 PM
Nick
I can see that it is impossible for me to give answers that will satisfy you. If you are keen to resolve your doubts, if you want to see how well the programme works then apply to take the course and experience it for yourself. At that stage it would be worth continuing the discussion.
Jackie
I can see that it is impossible for me to give answers that will satisfy you. If you are keen to resolve your doubts, if you want to see how well the programme works then apply to take the course and experience it for yourself. At that stage it would be worth continuing the discussion.
Jackie